Mira: ''This is a bit of a stupid question to ask but do you think if...I'm sure I've asked you this before about another character in a different book but if Slaanesh hadn't got involved y'know would he (Fulgrim) have still done all of the things he did do you think? It's not really a fair question-''
McNeill: ''No it's not a stupid question y'know exploring the what ifs is the entire nature of this storytelling business. it's like every bit of a story you're trying to figure out ok what if he did that, what if she's here, what if they went there. what would that mean and you've got each avenue to see is this worth exploring. And I think the idea, I'd like to think that had it not been for the influence of Slaanesh the Fulgrims better angels would have won out cus ultimately he was a good guy he wanted the best he knew he'd a lot to prove. I like to think that he might have taken his legion down an overly proud path but somebody would have schooled him and y'know like ''Dude y'know calm it down put the ego in check'' and he would have the humility enough to realise y'know what that is good advice y'know I have to listen, adapt my behaviour and I will be better. I like to think that he had the capacity in him to do that were it not for y'know Slaanesh putting his thumb on the scales.''
Mira: ''I'm so happy you said that cus I think the same. I definitely think that y'know it's not always the space marines fault y'know that he turned out this way. So thank you. And again as you were saying when the remembrancers came on board it was like a culture shift in a way, everything was just compounding and moving that way. So yay thank you. So just talking about Fabius the Apothecary, so basically the way i read it I mean in a way it's kinda his fault a lot of this''
McNeill: ''A lot of it''
Mira: ''Cus he convinces Fulgrim to actually go and do like change people and modify them and there's a hint of well hang on a minute dad made us in his image dad made us perfect. So y'know its these characters that they're not like the primarchs they're not the ones on the cover of the books but without this kind of influence y'know they are kinda like the ones striking a match and did you know that this character. I mean I guess who would that kinda be in like Shakespeare or someone it'd be someone like the king''
McNeill: ''Yeah I go type, character. Yeah I mean Fabius has been in the lore for many many years along with his y'know tinkering abilities and wishes to do that from the earliest days so again it's taking a character who is in 40k irredeemably awful and evil and terrible and having them at the beginning of their arc as you're one of the good guys and how do you again it's those small steps taking them to the next stage and it's the pebble that starts the landslide kinda thing its all these small things which feel like they're nothing, like this'll make us better warriors cool but actually this y'know the rewiring of the brain to have like the pleasure centre wired up to your combat abilities and so on. That's the thing again its throwing the gasoline in the fire, it accelerant. Every tiny thing is an accelerant that just speeds up the process and makes it more and more inevitable. So yeah Fabius was always, I mean he's such a cool character, I mean Fabius Bile y'know as one of the apothecaries of the legion has an undue influence on the biology and physiology of the legion so having him be one of the architects of their eventual doom felt entirely appropriate.''